This was a very special episode indeed. The second hour features Professor Leonie Pihama, an amazing Māori scholar and activist, who gave a keynote at the SRB III Walls conference this weekend. Leonie spoke with us about indigenous knowledge, colonisation and borders which cut thought and violate indigenous lands, intergenerational trauma, and deep healing. It was an honour and a privilege for Blythe and I to get to chat with her for over an hour. We hope you enjoy it as much as we did.